The Koran reading in St Mary’s Cathedral, Glasgow #pisky #anglican

I made this statement yesterday:

“The Scottish Episcopal Church has had a long commitment to the development of interfaith work. Over many years, we have sought to develop friendship, understanding and mutual respect between our Christian faith and the other great world religions. This work, like all works of reconciliation, must be founded on truth. We approach others with open hearts but we stand in the truth of the gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
“Those who seek to work in the area of interfaith relationships must weigh carefully whether the choices which they make are appropriate or otherwise. In today’s world, those judgements must give careful consideration to good relationships which have been carefully nurtured over many years in a local context. They must also weigh carefully the way in which national and international issues shape perceptions of what is appropriate or inappropriate

“The decisions which have led to the situation in St Mary’s Cathedral are a matter for the Provost and the Cathedral community but the Scottish Episcopal Church is deeply distressed at the widespread offence which has been caused. We also deeply regret the widespread abuse which has been received by the Cathedral community.

“In response to what has happened at the Cathedral, the Scottish Episcopal Church will bring together all those who are involved in the development of interfaith relations. Our intention will be as a Church to explore how, particularly in the area of worship, this work can be carried forward in ways which will command respect. Our desire is that this should be a worthy expression of the reconciliation to which all Christians are called.”

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86 Responses to The Koran reading in St Mary’s Cathedral, Glasgow #pisky #anglican

  1. Tim Smith says:

    Our church is the Borough church for Harrow, which we believe is the most religiously diverse borough in the country. We host an annual Civic Service to welcome the new Mayor. A few years ago his chaplain was an Imam who chose a Koran passage to be read in the service which was provocative towards other faiths, to put it mildly, and caused considerable disquiet. At the very least it was poor manners to be invited into another faith’s holy place and metaphorically trample over their beliefs.
    The current Mayor chose not to appoint a chaplain – she appointed six! I think it’s one each of Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh and Jain (her own faith).
    Interfaith elements within worship are clearly a tricky area which needs very careful thought and preparation – though it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, and when things go awry a thoughtful and supportive criticism will go much further than some of the knee jerk responses I’ve seen online to the Glasgow service. I’m sorry that the initiative was problematic, but well done to all involved for making the effort. Lessons will undoubtedly be learned, but I hope they won’t be discouraged from trying again.

    • Winnie says:

      They the muslim only wishis to dominate the dhmmi the anglican. They will never except Jesus as Gods son, wasting time, they will never change, do not be deceived by them

    • Mike Earles says:

      Fairly well said….”poor manners” indeed when the chosen koranic passage rejected Christ as the Son of God. Far, far greater thought and examination of such proposals and text MUST be carried out or Mr. Chillingsworth will have empty seats to preach to unless, of course, he succeeds in converting all the Glaswegian muslims.

  2. John Norman says:

    This wasn’t a matter of fine judgment between “appropriate” and “inappropriate”, though, was it? It was a ghastly error. If you truly want reconciliation, you should simply apologise and ensure that it doesn’t happen again.

  3. The Revd Duncan Beet says:

    I believe that the Provost must apologies, however this shows a weakness of character. When you make a mistake you admit it and ask for forgiveness. The Provost can rescue this situation with humility and courage.

    • Mike Earles says:

      Well said. Is the provost a strong enough man, a man of real character to apologise? I doubt it. He would be afraid of showing his weakness by asking for forgiveness. Humility and courage are the order of the day and NOT pussy footing political correctness.

    • FrPip says:

      It would help folk like me, who genuinely don’t see any big issue here, if you could tell me what you think Kelvin should apologise for? Genuine question.

  4. Dom says:

    I am utterly speechless that any church would allow this to happen . What were they thinking. What possible reason would a man of God have for allowing a reading which denies Jesus Christ in the middle o the service . Remember GOD is watching . I m speechless little more to be said . Please turn on the tv and see what is happening to Christians in Muslim lands

    • Mike Earles says:

      Another most excellent reply.

      Having worked extensively in the muslim lands it is exceedingly difficult to find churches and synagogues especially in Saudi Arabia where none exist in the towns just one, a school gym which is temporally converted very Friday

    • John says:

      ‘God is watching?’ and your evidence for that is? Yep that’s correct not the smallest bit of evidence for your imaginery friend or anyone else’s so the whole thing is totally stupid.

      ‘Please turn on the tv and see what is happening to Christians in Muslim lands’? Lets quietly forget The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, The Magdalene Laundries and the fact that most of the terrorist activity occurring in the United States in recent years has not come from Muslims, but from a combination of radical Christianis, white supremacists and far-right militia groups.

      P.S. Not expecting this to be published. No one making a very good living from superstition is going to want to allow dissent.

    • Abdul Naeem Waleed Bin says:

      Dear Dom, also for the sake of pure balance in your article, note what is happening to muslims at the hands of the Christian’s.

  5. Dr Christopher Shell says:

    Deeply distressed at the offence.
    Deeply distressed at the subsequent abuse.
    No distress at all about anything that had actually been done.
    Absolutely typical. It was exactly the same when Cliff Richard’s house was invaded. They were distressed that he felt distress, but not that they had done the thing they did (i.e. the source of all the unnecessary ‘distress’).
    Everything is emotions not facts. That is typical of the adolescent mentality.

    • Mike Earles says:

      A very fine reply!!! All emotion and political correctness at the expense of facts and the reality and how it affected the congregation.

      Not a word of sorrow or apology. Regret only how the obvious reaction affect the cathedral staff not a word of regret that this had been allowed at all, a blatant denial of the Son of God!!!!! How?!?!

    • Richard Palmer says:

      A fine summary.

  6. RG says:

    Sounds like church leadership needs to take a step back and remind themselves of the Great Commission. What is God’s purpose for the church? I’m pretty sure it’s not to pretend that everyone can believe and do whatever they like and it’ll all be fine at the end of the day. Look at the early apostles…what was their response to other religions? They didn’t take the warm and fuzzy approach and have meetings together…they were in your face with a gospel that demands change from EVERYONE. They were not arrogant but they were bold. They were not compromising but there were compassionate. That seemed to work pretty well…

    • FrPip says:

      “Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. 23 For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship—and this is what I am going to proclaim to you.”

      It seems Paul started with what they had in common.

  7. Martin Yirrell says:

    I’m afraid the whole concept of ‘interfaith relations’ is in error. The Bible is quite clear:

    Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6 [ESV])

    There can be no truth in other religions, they are simply man made, nothing else. There can be no reconciling between them and Christ, for they lead men to damnation. There is no possibility of light mixing with darkness.

  8. Ray Skinner says:

    With reference to Mayoral chaplains, they should choose a chaplain of their same faith, if they are agnostic then they should choose no-one. A Mayoral service should be held in a place of worship of the same religion or denomination as the Mayor and their chaplain. Those of other faiths, or none attending the service, respectfully listen to the prayers/ worship offered.
    With reference to civic services, these should be held in secular buildings or in the open air, again where those of different faiths can listen to one another’s prayer and worship.

  9. John says:

    I am utterly speechless at the amount of backlash this event has caused
    anyone who is against what the church has done are part of the problem!!
    at a time where tensions between different groups of people is at it’s most lowest, this type of action should be encouraged
    Maybe those posting here that are so speechless should try opening their eyes a bit more instead of just falling for what the media is feeding them & stop following the likes of Britain’s First & the Nigel Farage circus.

    Shame on you all !!
    Well done to St Mary’s Cathedral for trying to address the problem that is engulfing our country right now

  10. Donna Rodgers says:

    I don’t see what all the fuss is about. I think it’s good for inter-faith harmony within the community to interact and learn about eachother’s belief’s. To accept that we have love and respect for Jesus, and pass on His message of love, tolerance and humility.

    • Mike Earles says:

      It seems to me that you have largely missed an important point here. It is not a matter of spreading His messages but the points are that a reading was given in the Arabic language from the koran denying that Jesus is the Son of God, one of the principal tenants of Christianity. This also made all the more touching at one of the high points of the church’s calendar.

      • Donna Rodgers says:

        Perhaps I did miss the point, or perhaps you missed the point. Why should we not hear about the belief’s of Islam in Church. We may have differing views of whether or not Jesus is the son of God based on what scripture we read and believe. Where is the harm in sharing that with the community? I don’t see what the chruch’s calendar has to do with anything, I personally don’t follow a calendar, I just go to a Church a few times a week, give thanks and listen (and don’t always agree with) to what the celebrant has to say. The giving thanks, and following Jesus’ message of “Love one another as I have loved you” is my mantra.

        • Mike Earles says:

          Sharing beliefs is a possibility but surely not inside a church…the parish hall yes. How much sharing was there when it was spoken in Arabic? My pint about the calendar is that it was Epiphany when Chillingsworth knew that there would still be good attendance.

  11. iain says:

    The Surah which was read in the cathedral was an anti-trinitarian polemic. This should never have happened. But given the measure of agnosticism among Episcopalian clergy it came as no surprise.

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  13. jerry gambon says:

    if you do not learn to live together all mankind will die together

  14. Alan says:

    I fear there is some serious Islamophobia going on here. Would folk react like this if the texts were Hindu or Buddhist. I suspect not although I doubt it we would get an honest answer. Given the efforts of so many Muslim communities to reach out a hand of dialogue, the negative Xn reaction is shameful.

    • John Brand says:

      Be assured, Alan, my response and that of many others would be exactly the same. This isn’t an Islamophobia issue, it’s a case of truth v error. If God’s word is truth, as it is, then every other religious system – Islam, Hindu, Buddhist etc etc is wrong. Despite the post-modern view of the world, two contradictory statements can’t both be true. Jesus said, “I am the truth”. That makes everyone who disagrees with him a liar – whatever religion or none they hold to.

    • Mike Earles says:

      I worked in the muslim lands for 36 years and there is NOT one group who “reaches out a hand of dialogue”.

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  16. AM says:

    My instinct as a Christian is that this is a wonderful thing! I feel we should learn about Jesus through many perspectives and sources, after all the bible contains much of the Jewish books and the Gospels themselves present differing perspectives also. To take steps to try and be more inclusive and be at peace with others, even other faiths, seems to me to be a very Christian action. Finally, in such a secular world, understanding and friendship between faiths is more important than ever. I am sad to see on the news that there has been such anger an bitterness here. I just wanted to let you know I found this really inspiring and interesting and will think about this and discuss it more with my friends and family. God bless x

  17. Sheila Weir says:

    You and the church’s distress is nothing compared to the offence you have caused God and the wider Christian community. One can only hope your distress turns to repentance and a turning away from this apostasy. Friendship would be better served over a cup of tea.

    • Mike Earles says:

      I could not agree more but do you think you will ever find a bishop who will repent, least of all Mr. Chillingworth. The very thought of the man is enough to chill me…a man of God? No. He just does all he can to find new ways to justify his ill gotten salary for a job poorly done. If I had performed like that on my professional career I would have been fired with loss of all benefits.

      • Mark Allen says:

        Well said! These godless ” ministers” have lost their way completely and are an offence to both man and God.

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  19. D Burns says:

    I fully support that this Koran passage was read as part of the interfaith service. I certainly do not believe that any apology is required from those that organised or took part in the service. Perhaps those who look for apology should first be looking into their own hearts as to why they took offense when I believe none was given.

    It is simply the case that people of the Islamic faith have this particular belief and that it differs from the Christian belief. This is a core aspect of what makes these religions different. However this very difference in understanding is also a common point of reference between the faiths – the importance of Jesus as a gateway to God.

    I cannot imagine how we can grow in our understanding and tolerance towards each other if we cannot allow ourselves to reflect with open eyes, ears and hearts at the multifold ways in which those of different faiths interpret the world.

  20. Stephen Hayes says:

    Does ‘If we, or an angel from heaven, come to you with a different gospel, let them be damned to hell’ count as hate speech?

    St Paul’s letter to the Galatians, chapter 1 verses 8 and 9.

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  22. John C says:

    I have used the Koran in Christian prayers. This involved members of different churches Catholic, Methodist, baptist etc. No issues at all. I tend to want to love my neighbours. Forget who said that lol.

  23. Hamza Khan says:

    I am a Muslim and I thank you for trying to promote understanding between our two great faiths.

    “Lo! Those who believe and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans – whoever believeth in God and the Last Day and doeth right – surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.” Koran 2:62

  24. PamB says:

    I am a member of the congregation of St Mary’s Cathedral, Glasgow. I am proud to say that I was a member of the Vestry which appointed Kelvin to the post of Rector (the joint post of Provost being in the Bishop’s gift), and have never regretted the decision we came to some eleven years ago. The current Vestry (and congregation) are entirely in support of him at this time, knowing that his prophetic ministry is exercised with much thought, care, and importantly, prayer. The inclusion of the Qu’ranic reading was, like those on previous occasions, chosen with care and consultation, beautifully sung by a young woman, and thoughtfully welcomed and discussed by those present. It is surely no coincidence that St Mary’s is a growing congregation, and Kelvin has no need, or reason, to apologise.

  25. His humble messenger says:

    It is good that the word of Mohammad (pbuh) is being spread around the world. The Kafir will come to know him, in this life or the next. I am happy that Sharia will soon rule the UK as the native British are intelligent enough to see the truth in the Qur’an.

    • John Brand says:

      So much for reconciliation, Rev Holdsworth and Archbishop. Islam does not want or seek reconciliation. The very word Islam means submission and they will not rest until we Christian and non-Christian Kafirs submit to Islam. What happened at St Mary’s was not a step towards reconciliation but a step towards submission.

      • Mike Earles says:

        An act of blasphemy indeed and further evidence how apostate the Scottish Episcopal Church has become. After all what can we expect from a church that is a psrt of the protestant movement?

  26. Spirit filled says:

    Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    So, we have a classic example where people are bending God to suit themselves, to please others, to do what is politically correct. Bottom line here is what happened in this church is is an abomination.There is only one way to the father – that is not for bending or private interpretation. People including Christian leaders such as the Pope need to get back to basics and starting bending themselves to God. Not the other way round. If they don’t then the sprits should be tested to see truly which side they are on.

    Yes we should reconcile and be graceful however Christianity is suffering so much globally no Christian leader is sticking up for us. We allow others to take the stage. The truth is where good people do nothing evil prevails. This has accelerated since 9/11. Christian leaders need to unreservedly repent from the things that they have changed the church into from what Jesus wanted it to be – look at the book of acts.

    A church leader truly blessed with the holy spirit should know there is great danger in bringing religions together – one world religion alarm bells start ringing. Europe is well down the road to a very dangerous place. We compromise to accomodate, all it results in is more evil taking root. Our country was built on judaism/Christian values which are being diluted before our very eyes and nobody is doing anything about it there is a void. We see the craziness of the UN’s bullying of Israel, 200 resolutions against vs 5 against Syria when we have half a million dead through conflict plus millions of refugees in Europe, where is the Christian leadership speaking out when the western wall and temple mount are now classed as illegally occupied by the Jews, you could not make it up its madness. Far more blood has been spilt in Syria than the whole Israel Palestinian issue.

    The approach to reconcile must be different, without compromising or changing Christianity or carrying out abominable acts on holy Christian grounds. The church does many wonderful things to help people, never forget this. Please repent and pray for forgiveness for this church and all involved.

    So let us pray,

    Father we pray for all that happened at St Marys, you said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

    Through ignorance, through weakness, the pressures to conform to a modern world, to accomodate all beliefs whilst ignoring the truth, through deliberate fault an abominable act was committed in this church and all are sorry and ashamed and repent from this.

    Renew them a right spirit, clean hearts and minds, bend them back to your truth, not their truth, or what they make it. Please give them a different way to achieve reconciliation with other faiths without compromising your word, your truth

    You are our loving god, full of mercy and grace, we turn humbly to ask your forgiveness in Jesus name amen

  27. Chris says:

    “Over many years, we have sought to develop friendship, understanding and mutual respect between our Christian faith and the other great world religions.” Genuinely commendable but will the SEC have the courage to say that their Christ-given mission goes beyond this. If we are not prepared to seek the conversion of people from all faiths and none then we have failed to be loyal to Christ and failed to love our neighbour, because we are unwilling to share these central New Testament truths with them:

    “This [prayer for all peoples, especially rulers] is good, and pleases God our Saviour, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles.” 1 Timothy 2:3-7

  28. David says:

    We must always great fellow humans with total respect and dignity. However as Christians we believe that there is only one God – the great Triune God, the One who does not share His glory with another. The minister concerned has no fear of God in allowing this to take place. He will one day soon stand before the Lord and say I did this that and the other in your name, and the Lord will say depart from me, I never knew you.We have nothing in common with those who follow a false religion, of course in a free society they should be free to do whatever they want but this situation was blasphemy to the nth degree. So many parts of our national church and other significant denominations have thrown the authority of Gods Word out of the window, many are literally the blind leading the blind, they and their followers will both fall into a pit. It is time to wake up from our spiritual slumber and come back to the God of the Bible. You have your beautiful cathedrals, comfortable salary and pension but many of you have never accepted Christ as Lord and are simply fashioning God in your own image pandering to the whims of the Godless secular society in which we live. Soon its all going to end and you will be spending eternity away from God, unless you repent.

  29. James says:

    In the Koran, Jews and Christians are referred to as the “worst of creatures”, and Muslims are commanded not to form any kind of friendships with them lest they become one of them. Moreover, it states that it is not possible that God should have a son. So why would any Muslim want to take part in a Christian celebration, namely the birth of that same son?

    The naivete on display here on the part of the Episcopal Church is breathtaking. There will never be any form of reconciliation between Muslims and anybody else, and if a Muslim contingent was present at this service, their motive for being there certainly wasn’t to foster interfaith understanding.

    Stand up for your own faith instead of pandering to another whose aim is to destroy you!

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  31. John Brand says:

    Reconciliation is a laudable objective, but the Bible makes it absolutely clear that it’s only possible through accepting Jesus Christ as the incarnate Son of God and his death on the cross as an act of substitutionary atonement. What happened at St Mary’s is an act of blasphemy and another evidence how apostate the Scottish Episcopal Church has become.

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  34. Kamran Rahman says:

    Understanding between faiths must, by definition, include understanding what is common and what is not. The passage, with which I am very familiar, illustrates this succinctly, and therefore promotes inter-faith understanding. I wonder whether the same level of “distress” and media coverage would have been caused if a Unitarian Christian had stood in that same church and rejected the divinity of Jesus? Beliefs are varied. Dialogue is important.

    • Ian Perry says:

      Beliefs are varied, dialogue is important, indeed.
      But tact and discretion are also vital in developing understanding. If the passage in question denied Jesus as the son of God, then perhaps it was not particularly tactful to read that specific text in a Christian Church on such a symbolic occasion.

      We all find our own way to God – and clearly He welcomes us when we find Him, irrespective of how we come to Him and what language we use. That much is obvious from the scale of the differences between faiths. Clearly, He is simply glad that we come to Him. So why do WE find it so difficult to accept that others find a different path?

      • John Brand says:

        Sorry Ian, but you are simply wrong. You said, “We all find our own way to God – and clearly He welcomes us when we find Him, irrespective of how we come to Him and what language we use.” Jesus said, I am the one comes to the Father except by me. Either he is right or you are and I know who I would rather believe! There are no “different paths” – they are just dead ends and detours that take people to hell.

        • Mark Allen says:

          Succinctly put, John.
          The real issue here is that these ministers and their misled adherents have bought into the falsehood that all religions are essentially equal and everyone can just believe what they want – the important thing is “let’s just all get along together”.
          This is the very antithesis of what Christ taught!

    • Mark Allen says:

      Kamran, I wonder what your response would have been if a Christian woman had stood up in a major mosque in Saudi Arabia, at a major Muslim festival, and read “Jesus said ‘I am the way and the truth and the light. No one come to the Father except by me'”.
      Do you think she would be alive today?

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  37. Nigel Feilden says:

    1. Yesterday, at a talk given by a Gideon, my neighbour commented that visitors to Saudi Arabia will have even a personal, single, Bible in English confiscated on entry.
    I wonder if there is any country where Korans are confiscated – perhaps N Korea ….
    The Bible is a powerful book – and the above is one strong witness to that fact.
    2. Christianity and Islam are both exclusive and missionary faiths. Each aims to convert all unbelievers. They are bound to be in competition.
    3. It is not clear to me how the service under discussion here contributed to SEC’s own mission – except perhaps as a backfire.

  38. Peter says:

    Just listen to you all. I now know why I am an atheist. The only chance for humanity in the long run is for all of you realise that there is actually no God. All religions are man-made.

    If you get comfort from the allegories and traditions of your own brand of religion, I have no problem with that. But please don’t foist it on other people, and for goodness sake, don’t keep fighting each other over whose stories are true. There’s enough difficulty in the world as it is, without making more.

  39. Hussein says:

    As a British Iraqi who moved from the UK to baghdad a few years ago I am shocked every time I come back to the uk & read the press or social media. I was also shocked when I went to Iraq to see how united Muslims & Christians are, that it’s completely normal for Muslims to go to church, especially on Christmas Day out of respect & vice versa for Christians to go to mosques there or religious festivals & actually partake in them. FYI there are over 75 churches in Baghdad alone with 2 new ones that opened last year. And it is actually rude there to ask one’s faith or sect.

    The passage that was read was Surah Maryam, ie Mary (the mother of Jesus), both loved in the Quran and that Surah contains nothing insulting to other religions (nor does the Quran despite what some will insist).

    It is deeply saddening that there is so much hate in the UK, mostly constructed by the likes of the Daily Mail & others.

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  42. Mark Allen says:

    It is past time for being “deeply distressed”!!! No other action other than permanently removing this “minister” from his position is satisfactory! He is very obviously not competent to lead a church and any and EVERY Christian leader should know this!

  43. Kevin says:

    I’m shocked by the intolerance shown in these comments, and it’s hard to reconcile with the warmth and love that I see in Christians around me locally.

    Although I consider myself agnostic at present, I don’t think I could be further away from the hateful bigoted ideology that’s being represented in some of the comments to this post.

    Religion should serve humanity for betterment, and I applaud any initiative that strives to bring together people who share this goal.

  44. Abraham says:

    What’s really worrying is how this story was presented in the mainstream media – leading readers to believe that Muslims were offended etc….

    The truth is so simple if only people opened their eyes: Muslims both LOVE and REVERE Jesus. It’s an offensive for any muslim to utter a single negative word on a Messenger of God who muslims credit as the saviour at the end of days.

    Being a Semite, and having had the views of Rabbis (about Jesus & Chrisitans) rammed down my throat endlessly during my youth and well into adulthood, I’m forever shocked about how Evangelical so-called Christians could overlook this fact!

    I challenge any so-called Chrisitan to debate me on this; I’d love to see how they can explain what the Talmud says about Mary, as well as Jesus’ current situation in boiling in all sorts, punishment for being considered a fraud.

    Though Shall No Bear False Witness, and yet YOUR silence is deafening.

    • Mike Earles says:

      The fact that this was done at all is bad enough, in Arabic in a cathedral in a high point in the church’s calendar even worse. To top it all muslims do not accept that Jesus is the Son of God. This cannot be read in a principal church. The so called bishop has lost his way

      • Abraham says:

        Mike Earles.

        You’ve just done it! You’ve Beared False Witness!

        Muslims don’t believe that Jesus is the son of God. Yes. However, they LOVE and REVERE Him to be a Pure Messenger of God. One who will defeat the anti-christ at the end of Days. This honour bestowed on Jesus wasn’t given to Mohammed or Moses or Abraham even, testifying for the love and reverence Muslims have for Jesus.

        Consider this for a moment, Muslims have only Positive and Highest regards to Jesus (NOT his REAL name by the way – the name was invented by a Pope in the middle ages, but I digress!)

        Now, once again, Mike “False Witness” Earles – I challenge you to show me where Islam speak ill of Jesus, and compare that to the faith you’re defending cryptically.

        Why don’t you Mike, tell me what the Talmud says about Jesus and Christians.

        And whilst you’re at it, Mike, tell us about REV 2:9.

      • Mark Allen says:

        Just what kind of senior Christian leader allows this on Epiphany – the very day that Christians celebrate the revelation of God incarnate as Jesus Christ?
        The insensitivity of this to Christians is simply staggering! The man would be fired immediately if he showed this level of insensitivity and disrespect in any other organization, and the church must do the same!

        • Mike Earles says:

          I totally agree with Mark Allen.

          In professional life we have to watch every work and try to adhere to political correctness and caring for others’ sensitivities. This is exactly what Chillingworth failed to do. Hence he ought to be terminated forthwith.

  45. lucas says:

    Let Christopher Hitchens help you: “we cannot possibly adjust enough to please the fanatics, and it is degrading to make the attempt.”

    • Abraham says:

      The Irony of quoting an Atheist (which is an extreme “faith” of sorts), to attack religion, whilst attempting to “defend” another religion.

      What a fake!

      REV 2:9 Brother, REV 2:9.

  46. Tricia says:

    The way of life I follow teaches that we are all children of God. Jesus is revered as a great Teacher. I have not got a bias here then, as far as I am aware.
    I would not press the issue of whether or not Jesus is The one and only Son of God with a practising Christian over the coffee table never mind in a Christian church and during a service too. Who was daft enough and/or daft and rude enough to think those verses appropriate? What on Earth were they thinking of!

  47. A Sajjad says:

    There are many more things that unite Christianity & Islam than divide them.

    There are members of the Christian faith who come to Mosques and talk about beliefs which go against Islamic beliefs but no fuss is made. Instead the differences are celebrated and understanding is created!

  48. Dom says:

    Abdul , you read the Koran and believe it’s from GOD . I see a book full of hate . I ll trust my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ . Look at Israel the only democracy in the Middle East and constantly under attack from Islamic terrorists . When was the last time you heard of a Methodist suicide bomber , or a baptist … Let’s try orthodox . That’s right there are none . You speak nonsense . Repent and turn to Jesus the messiah cease this foolishness

    • Mike Earles says:

      Another well worded answer

    • Abraham says:


      Hav you read the Talmud, the Old (and NEW) Testament recently?

      Or do you love to stoke hatred. My goodness, you’ll be armed and screaming “Britain First” from a roof top – with a pillow case on your head – soon!

      Have a lie-down son.

  49. Dom says:

    If I went to a Muslim country and preached Jesus I d get beheaded . Is that a good country ! Come on wake up

  50. Dom says:

    Amen Mike – the episcopalians are totally astray, many other churches are heading the same way . It’s becoming a real battle I ve had to change churches recently due to error creeping in. Seems like the great apostacy is really speeding up brother

    • Abraham says:

      change churches? what’s the matter? your faith is that weak?

      Newsflash: you don’t have faith in your heart, only hate.

      You’ll go the way the wind blows, “brother”.

      REV 2.9.

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